Petition to change the penalty for bunting two times in a row.

Sometimes people can simply forget about this rule and to have someone to have to forefit a game due to bunting twice in a row is too harsh. Should be same as going back on a steal.

In a game I simlply had a brain fart and bunted with my pitcher to lead off an inning and then bunted with my leadoff hitter. Neither batter reached base safely by the way. I admit this was a mistake and not allowed per the rules. But, to have to quit and forefit the game for this violation is too harsh.

Give a warning on the resolution center or make the batter get out if he reaches base safely.

I have been in games where players have bunted with two strikes or bunted twice in a row. But, I would never feel right about asking said player to quit and give me a win because of it. I would however ask for an out if the case need be.

I agree but i think that giving the out is not enough of a penalty. I think that the offender should give every remaining out in that inning.

I would like to hear from more people on this issue. Please weigh in

I would just like the bunting to stop, no matter what it takes to deter people from doing it.

Brain fart or not regarding a rule, the mentality to bunt multiple times exists. When someone makes a "mistake", they are not refering to mistakingly bunting 2 times in a row, or forgetting that they just bunted on the very last pitch before the 2nd bunt, they are simply referring to forgetting the rule about it. This clearly shows that the person's mentality to bunt exists.....because it works now since the patch.

I know one thing for sure, people were not bunting that often before the patch.........now they are. This can not be coincidence from my perspective.

Harsh rules are not in place to give "easy wins" via disqualification, whether here in our suppose to be fun league, or in an olympic event, they are harsh to deter people from doing it.

Just stop doing it!

STOP!!!!!!!

I guess I didn't really directly give an opinion on reducing the penalty for this undesirable gameplay.

I do not think we should accomodate violators of rules if the goal is to get them to stop playing a certain way. I believe disqualification is the best deterrent of undesirable game behavior.

If anything, a warning toward the 3-strike policy for removal from the league should be added to the consequence.


......unless we want to live with the continuance of the problem.

how about an analogy about deterrence:

Lets say we put $1000 on the floor, in the center of a school gymnasium, left the door unlocked on a Friday afternoon. There is a security camera in the gymnasium, but nobody is sure if anyone is watching.

Lets assume everyone reading this has access to the gymanasium.

If the penalty for getting caught stealing the $1000 is 5 years in jail, how many will take the chance?

If the penalty for getting caught is a $10 fine, how many will take a chance?

When i said that I simply forgot about the first bunt I meant it. I did not forget the rule and for anyone to question the thought process in my head is simply speculation on their part. Further, you are questioning my character and that I don't think is cool!

If you want to outlaw bunting altogether i'm down for it. I only recently started to bunt because certain ppl in this league do it to me ALL THE TIME.

But, due to the insane amount of double play's I would prefer you to be allowed to sacrifice bunt if the case need be.

There was no attack on your character, it is direct articulation of the game behavior itself.

I am self-admitted to having more than average memory problems, but really, how can you forget in between the scenario below, lol

batter #1, pitch thrown = bunt

batter #2, next pitch thrown = bunt


I don't want to get in an argument about a particular game...but I am passionate about Redsman's new campaign to clean up general use of exploits.

I just ask you to think about what you just said:

"I only recently started to bunt because certain ppl in this league do it to me ALL THE TIME"


based on that statement, can't you understand the passion to deter the problem?

Most ppl and I will add myself to this column would not purposely bunt twice in a row knowing the rule. So the analogy of the money and the camera's is way off base.

You're comparing prison time and a fine to a video game????

Outlaw bunting but, don't give cheap unearned wins. There can be cases where the penalty should be a loss for example: Last night I was playing Shoeless in a 1-0 game 9th inning I lead off with a bunt steal second. Without thinking about the rule again NOT PURPOSELY IGNORING THE RULE. i sacrificed my runner to 3rd to get the tying run to 3rd with one out.

Now, as soon as I did this it dawned on me and I paused the game and quit out so Shoeless can have the win. But, this scenario was far more game changing and I had no problems giving him the win.

But to have to give a win with a 1 run lead in the 6th inning after two bunts which both were outs did not and does not make sense.

Dairyman's idea of having to give outs untill the turn at bat makes more sense to me.

When I say that I just wasnt thinking and forgot about the first bunt and you say that I did not infact forget. You're basically calling me a liar which is an attack on my character.

I'm not even going to address your rationale about name calling.

I have a question for you though.

So, in summary, are you asking to reduce the penalty for this game behavior for your future offenses of the same thing?

If so, why would you care unless you plan on doing it again?

I'm saying to change it to if you do bunt two times in a row you should have to give your opponent outs untill your turn at bat is over.

In the case with you the game should have continued with me giving you the 3rd and final out of the inning. In the case with shoeless it was the 9th inning so quiting out and giving him the win made sense.

The two bunts I did in my game with you PP would have had no baring on the remainder of the game. I would have had no problem giving you that 3rd out. But to give you an unearned win was not fair in my opinion.

If you think I'm here to cheat to wins games your sadly mistaken. I have a short memory yes and it does cause me some errors in game play. More often then not those lapses in memory cause me to lose a game rather then win games.

PPLife wrote:There was no attack on your character, it is direct articulation of the game behavior itself.

I am self-admitted to having more than average memory problems, but really, how can you forget in between the scenario below, lol

batter #1, pitch thrown = bunt

batter #2, next pitch thrown = bunt


I don't want to get in an argument about a particular game...but I am passionate about Redsman's new campaign to clean up general use of exploits.

I just ask you to think about what you just said:

"I only recently started to bunt because certain ppl in this league do it to me ALL THE TIME"


based on that statement, can't you understand the passion to deter the problem?

Did you not read where I stated that I would have no issue against banning bunts altogether?

I did read it, and if that garnered enough interest to send to the voting booth, I would definitely vote yes!